boris,
I think we'll let the attorneys decide what is or isn't legal... I understand they've got some of the best crossing all the t's and dotting those i's.


caberetjulia,
It's apparent that neither the light is on NOR anyone home, have a good day.

JD

Your comparison isn't valid either. Your restaurant owner spent his "investment" money on real things like real estate, stoves and ovens, tables, food supplies and so on. His business is preparing food for people to eat. Any people who walk in and want dinner.

the Dubli business is just selling "opportunities" to people who then turn around and sell "opportunities" to people who want to buy into the system. It's not a business like a restaurant at all.

also, you're still saying that Dubli will "soon" have a portal for people to use. When is that?

JulieDownings,

Dubli's European business was formed in 2003. Their website in Europe launched in October, 2006. It is the expansion into North and South America that is coming "soon". In fact, the official launch is September 28, 2008 with the actual newly developed website just for the US market scheduled to launch on October 4, 2008.

Whether anyone is a fan or against network marketing, it is without dispute that this form of business is legitimate and increasing in popularity simply by virtue of the fact that companies, whether it be Google, Ebay, Amazon, Walmart or Dubli, are searching for ways to drive traffic to their business and increase revenue.

I feel that I have added as much as I can to this discussion short of simply going back and forth with people who simply don't believe in network marketing and never will so I will leave you all with this:

I intend, as a Dubli representative, to provide an honest perspective to all those interested in become Dubli Business Associates. This business is NOT for everyone. I want to work with people who are willing to do the work necessary to increase their income. And I want to work with people who are prepared to learn how a home based internet business is run. ANYONE who thinks that they will become a Dubli Associate, or a representative for any company for that matter, and make money without hard work is kidding themselves. Whether you work full or part time in this business, it takes work to reach your full potential.

The selling of a business opportunity as you call it, is only half of the story.
As a Business Associate you receive DubLi credits, I can (and will) use the credits my self, give them away as thank you gifts, gift certificates, vouchers, or incentives

If I was a car salesman, I can send a thank you card to my client and give them 10 or 20 credits as a thank you for their business or for giving me a referral.

I open a new car wash (or any brick and mortar business for that mater) and offer 3, 5 or 20 free DubLi credits with every .... NEVER talking about any business opportunity. But at the same time building a CUSTOMER BASE.

This allowing and starting the same viral process or new thread (mentioned in an earlier post) of commissionable customers brought to to the table for generations to come.

As I said this is NOT your typical MLM
or business opportunity.

JD
www.JDwithDubLi.com

You do not have attorneys, but you should. Since Dubli founders will be prosecuted at least on civil charges.

So how big it is in Europe? How much stuff was sold through their European website?

Okay, so I buy into Dubli. What is my website FOR? Do people just go there to see ads? And where are the gift certificates and vouchers good? When we referred a friend to a place we'd bought a car, we got a gift certificate to a restaurant. Why would a restaurant give you a gift certificate to give to your "customers"?

Q:
What is my website FOR?
A:
"The website" is DubLi's (without ads by the way) its only yours by way of your unique "Business Associate ID#", thus making it possible to track the initial thread of new customers you introduced to DubLi.

As they buy their own credits, store front, or set up a fund raiser campaign; they then invite a friend to check it out (via their own "customer ID#" which is still tied to your number) they buy their own credits and so on through the entire genealogy how ever large that becomes; this is traced back to you and commissionable to the sum of 10-24%. need more on this you can call me direct 24/7 at 916.870.4772. (it's a whole lot easier to talk & listen than type and read)

Anyway,

Q:
And where are the gift certificates and vouchers good?
A:
The DubLi auction site.

Q:
Why would a restaurant give you a gift certificate to give to your "customers"?
A:
The restaurant gives it the to customers as incentive ie. instead of "buy one burger get get one free"
it's "buy a burger receive two DubLi credits"
or something like 10 free DubLi credit with every purchase of _ _ _ _ _ _.

Now, this business owner is somewhere in your genioligy and is buying these credits to use as a bartering tool or promotional incentive or whatever, people can be as creative as they want buy, sell, trade, but all of this activity ($$$) started somewhere and that's who the commissions roll up to.

Got it? I hope so, my fingers are getting tired

JDwitDubLi,

Q:
What is my website FOR?
A:
"The website" is DubLi's (without ads by the way) its only yours by way of your unique "Business Associate ID#", thus making it possible to track the initial thread of new customers you introduced to DubLi.

Exactly, it's dubli's NOT yours. What do you get with your website? Advertising? Oh that's right you get a back office, which tracks how many people are buying credits and keeping you up to date on the action of the people under you. Which I might add, if your Business Associates do not perform or keep their customers status current, then they take away part of your percentage. Oh and might I add that you have to renew your "license" annually. That means you have to spend that Three Thousand Dollars (or more) Every Year!

How are you supposed to find new customers and Business Associates once you have driven your friends and family to the point of hanging up on your after to take them for all of the money they are willing to spend? I guess you will have to spend MORE money on advertising!!!

Q:
And where are the gift certificates and vouchers good?
A:
The [u]DubLi auction site.[/i]

Yes you can give gift certificates for Dubli Credits, NOT redeemable for actual merchandise.
Let me ask you this....can you redeem your dubli credits for cash?


DubliNY,

In fact, the official launch is September 28, 2008 with the actual newly developed website just for the US market scheduled to launch on October 4, 2008.

So now, the US date has been changed to October. So basically the US launch date of September 28th is just to advertise and get more people roped in before the "Actual" US website launch date on Oct 4th? Or is that date going to change too?

You two are right, I am certainly NOT a believer of NWM or MLM. And I am sure there are a lot of people out there who are not as well. I feel there is for a very good reason for the lack of support. Here are a few taken right from the FTC website....

Comment Number: 522418-01684
Received: 6/10/2006 7:56:34 AM
Organization:
Commenter: Katy Li
State: MD
Subject: Business Opportunity Rule
Title: Notice of Proposed Rulemaking
CFR Citation: 16 CFR Part 437
No Attachments

Comments:
PLEASE PLEASE make this proposal into law! Untold numbers of people lose money in MLM scams every year in this country! I lost $1200 in Mary Kay, and if I had been given basic statistics about the company I never would have joined. MLMs make inflated income statements at every opportunity, flash potential recruits their big checks, and never disclose all the expenses involved. They purposely lie to recruits to get them to sign up and buy lots of products. While I do not think this proposal goes far enough, it is a start. MLM companies MUST be required to disclose statistics on how many people sign up and fail each year, as well as the statistics on what percentage of the sales force is actually drawing any income, and how much. They should also be required to disclose the number of representatives in a given zip code (i.e. : MARKET SATURATION) These MLM companies are telling recruits that the market cannot be saturated, and any one can earn money if they work the program - these lies are causing hard-working Americans to lose vast amounts of money every year. Canada requires MLMs to do this; it is time for the United States to catch up and stop these scam artists!

Here's someone who has a lot of info on the subject of MLM schemes!!!

Robert L. FitzPatrick, Pres. Pyramid Scheme Alert.org

I have experience in the sales field. In my opinion, if you want solid leads and referrals then you must provide excellent customer care which will prompt your customers to refer you based on actual job performance, not incentives. You can offer them all the money in the world, but if you suck at your job, or the company you are trying to promote sucks, then noone will shop with you.

When you finally get the website for the US up and running, is dubli going to provide a forum where customers can leave comments on their experience?