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Marijuana poll 

Should marijuana be...
Illegal 20%  20%  [ 1 ]
Decriminalized 20%  20%  [ 1 ]
Legal 60%  60%  [ 3 ]
Total votes : 5

Marijuana poll 
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A simple poll about the legality of marijuana.

If you wish more options, let me know.


18 Aug 2009, 21:33
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Marijuanna is known as a gateway drug for a reason... Many people addicited to "harder" drugs got their start with MaryJ...


18 Aug 2009, 21:39
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I think two options are correct. Pot should remain illegal, but one should not get a criminal record for simple possession. There are millions of people in America who have received a criminal record for simple posession of less than a gram of pot. Higher fines should be levied for simple posession. Trafficing and growing (more than 5 plants) should remain criminal offences.

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Marijuanna is known as a gateway drug for a reason... Many people addicited to "harder" drugs got their start with MaryJ...

That argument is so stale, has no basis in reality, and shows just how little you know about the subject. Do you think the shrub smoked pot before he got into snorting coke?


18 Aug 2009, 21:43
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Many people have gone to bigger and harder drugs...


18 Aug 2009, 21:45
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Many alcoholics start with beer. Marijuana seem to be one of the only issues in America where we legislate based on what the losers do. Imagine if we legislated the automobile industry similarly.


18 Aug 2009, 21:46
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They will always balance the risks with the benefits of any drug, and so far, the risks outweigh the benefits...


18 Aug 2009, 21:48
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Howso? Is this just your opinion, or is there evidence?


18 Aug 2009, 21:49
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here ya go


18 Aug 2009, 21:49
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Okay, let's look at some of these really quickly:

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There are also many long-term health consequences of marijuana use. According to the National Institutes of Health, studies show that someone who smokes five joints per week may be taking in as many cancer-causing chemicals as someone who smokes a full pack of cigarettes every day
Note the word "may" and complete lack of link to a source or the methodology of the study

Again, no source on this one. Also, no mention that nobody who smokes pot smokes at the same rate as a tobacco smoker, unless they're asking for it.

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Harvard University researchers report that the risk of a heart attack is five times higher than usual in the hour after smoking marijuana.
Note that the same study mentions the same rate of risk after smoking tobacco or drinking coffee.

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In recent years there has been a dramatic increase in the number of emergency room mentions of marijuana use. From 1993-2000, the number of emergency room marijuana mentions more than tripled.
A "mention" can easily mean that marijuana is one of a number of drugs responsible for said emergency room visits. This "factiod" deliberately obscures that. The fact remains that there has never been a death on record attributed to marijuana.

This information is widely cited by drug policy officials, who have sometimes confused Drug-Related Episodes - emergency room visits induced by drugs - with Drug Mentions. The Wisconsin Department of Justice claimed, "In Wisconsin, marijuana overdose visits in emergency rooms equal to heroin or morphine, twice as common as Valium." Common Sense for Drug Policy called this as a distortion, noting, "The federal DAWN report itself notes that reports of marijuana do not mean people are going to the hospital for a marijuana overdose, it only means that people going to the hospital for a drug overdose mention marijuana as a drug they use"

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Smoking marijuana also weakens the immune system4 and raises the risk of lung infections.5 A Columbia University study found that a control group smoking a single marijuana cigarette every other day for a year had a white-blood-cell count that was 39 percent lower than normal, thus damaging the immune system and making the user far more susceptible to infection and sickness.
Sorry if I question the methodology of a study on marijuana conducted by James Dobson, but he doesn't seem to share it : )

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Users can become dependent on marijuana to the point they must seek treatment to stop abusing it. In 1999, more than 200,000 Americans entered substance abuse treatment primarily for marijuana abuse and dependence.
Note that this stat doesn't tell you how many of this improbable number were forced to go by court order for possession : )

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More teens are in treatment for marijuana use than for any other drug or for alcohol. Adolescent admissions to substance abuse facilities for marijuana grew from 43 percent of all adolescent admissions in 1994 to 60 percent in 1999.
Again, no source on that one : )

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Advocates have promoted the use of marijuana to treat medical conditions such as glaucoma. However, this is a good example of more effective medicines already available. According to the Institute of Medicine, there are six classes of drugs and multiple surgical techniques that are available to treat glaucoma that effectively slow the progression of this disease by reducing high intraocular pressure.
And you can either pay out the nose for them or put them on your insurance!

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The American Medical Association recommends that marijuana remain a Schedule I controlled substance.
One wonders why! Afraid of the competition?

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As a result of such research, a synthetic THC drug, Marinol, has been available to the public since 1985. The Food and Drug Administration has determined that Marinol is safe, effective, and has therapeutic benefits for use as a treatment for nausea and vomiting associated with cancer chemotherapy, and as a treatment of weight loss in patients with AIDS. However, it does not produce the harmful health effects associated with smoking marijuana.
Many users complain that not only is the cost of Marinol greater than the cost of the amount of marijuana needed to produce the same effect, but it is also lacking in many of the properties of the whole plant, which contains hundreds of different cannabinoids. In addition, it takes over an hour to reach full effect, making it difficult to maintain an exact level of effect (which is important to most medical users), as well as making it useless to people suffering from nausea and vomiting, since they simply vomit it out before it has a chance to work.

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Yes. Among marijuana's most harmful consequences is its role in leading to the use of other illegal drugs like heroin and cocaine. Long-term studies of students who use drugs show that very few young people use other illegal drugs without first trying marijuana. While not all people who use marijuana go on to use other drugs, using marijuana sometimes lowers inhibitions about drug use and exposes users to a culture that encourages use of other drugs.
A "culture" that would be less likely to exist without the taboo of being illegal.

In addition, it seems like the Institute on Drug Abuse uses that same slippery slope fallacy.

Rob Kampia of Marijuana Policy Project stated in a September 5, 2002 press release, "The government reaches that exact same conclusion regardless of whether drug use is going up, down, or staying the same. If use is going up they say, `We're in a drug abuse emergency; we need to crack down harder.' If use if going down, they say, `Our strategy is working; we need to crack down harder.' A cynic might think they had made up their minds before even looking at the data"

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Marijuana is a dangerous, addictive drug that poses significant health threats to users.
While there is no evidence of physical addiction, you can become psychologically addicted to anything. Note the vague wording.

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Drug legalizers use "medical marijuana" as red herring in effort to advocate broader legalization of drug use.
Funny, Canada, Germany, Israel, Portugal, Spain, Switzerland, Britain, Hawaii, Maryland, Maine and Washington DC seem to disagree with that assessment and have either lagalized medical marijuana or pushing legislation toward that end.


18 Aug 2009, 21:51
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I believe marijuana should be legalized and I'll tell you why. First of all, though, let me say that I haven't smoked a joint in over 25 years and wouldn't smoke one for any reason today. Now with that said, I don't believe that it matters if pot is good for you or not or if it leads to other drugs or not.

The fact of the matter is that it is as easy to get a joint today as it is to get a can of beer. The illegal drug industry is a multi-billion dollar unregulated industry, capitalism at it's finest so to speak. I know that there are a whole lot of people who never want to see pot legalized because it is will really cut into their income. Where is all the money going? Someone has control over a whole lot of money and that equates to a whole lot of influence and power.

I have no doubt that some is being funneled into political funds for politicians who fight to assure that pot remains illegal. How about terrorist organizations? Can we say with certainty that no drug money is being controlled by any terrorist organization. How about organized crime. Any money going to them? Again I ask where is the money going and how much of it is our country losing out on from the income that it produces?

I really believe that having a legal, regulated marijuana industry is a better alternative.


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